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Across the Street
#1
How is across the street defined? 
Is it a specific place in a formation? 
Thank you
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#2
If you imagine following the #1 man and whatever lady he has, from Static Square a Heads Square Thru 4 finds this man over on the 'left' side facing the #4 couple. 'Across the street' is where he would be if he were to maneuver over to the other side and end up facing #2 couple. From this Corner Box....

'R&L Thru, Pass 2 Cntr, Pass Thru' moves this #1 man 'across the street', facing the #2 couple.

The guts of the Chicken Plucker routine is to move one couple from one side of the square, 'across the street', then back again. In this example, another 'R&L Thru, Pass 2 Cntr, Pass Thru' moves our #1 man back 'across the street' to where he started from.

This work for you, Cherie?
Kip Garvey
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#3
(07-15-2018, 08:17 PM)kgarvey Wrote: If you imagine following the #1 man and whatever lady he has, from Static Square a Heads Square Thru 4 finds this man over on the 'left' side facing the #4 couple. 'Across the street' is where he would be if he were to maneuver over to the other side and end up facing #2 couple. From this Corner Box....

'R&L Thru, Pass 2 Cntr, Pass Thru' moves this #1 man 'across the street', facing the #2 couple.

The guts of the Chicken Plucker routine is to move one couple from one side of the square, 'across the street', then back again. In this example, another 'R&L Thru, Pass 2 Cntr, Pass Thru' moves our #1 man back 'across the street' to where he started from.

This work for you, Cherie?

Kip, 
Ive have been confused by the use of the terms "Right Hand Lady" box and "Across The Street box". If Head ladies chain, and then Heads square thru, the #1 man is facing his corner but has his partner on his right. If they right and left thru and then dive thru, pass thru (or pass to the center/pass thru OR pass thru/tradeby), the sides are back to their starting position and the heads are half way across the square, paired. And it appears more like a partner box. If they slide thru to a line, #1 man has a RHL but #2 man has his corner. In this case everyone is out of sequence. If they right and left thru from here (or from the box before I slide thru) boys are in sequence but girls are out.  If they reverse flutterwheel, it chains the girls and now I have a partner line in sequence.  But at no time, did I have a RHL box or Line.  That is the setup I am calling (perhaps incorrectly) ACROSS THE STREET BOX.  Compare that to Heads square thru 2 where all boys are facing a RHL. Check it by line conversion, RLT, Slide Thru...Still got a Right and Lady and all are in sequence.  This is what Im calling RHL box or Line.  Let me know if Im completely in the weeds here but I think the distinction has to do with sequencing. It may not be the impetus for Cherie's original question but I would love clarification on it.  Thanks.
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#4
I understand. The 'history' of 'across the street' was originated in the idea of having MIXED paired couples move back and forth, not SAME paired couples. Regardless, the idea of 'chicken plucker' and moving 'across the street' is not diminished in any way whether the couples moving across are a set of MIXED paired couples or SAME paired couples. What is affected is the resulting Group.

When the couples moving 'across the street' are SAME paired couples, then no Transition occurs and the dancers remain in the same Group. This is what is causing your confusion, understandably so.

If Heads Fan the Top and Extend, we have SAME paired couples moving to an outside pair. Since the pairing of these couples is original Partner, there is NO WAY a Right Hand Lady Group can exist as a result. The result Group, considering the inside and outside couples are Partner Group. Everything after that is based on the dancers being in a Partner Group.

Callers need to establish on the outset which Group they take the dancers into. Heads Square Thru results in a Corner Group. Heads Fan The Top-Extend results in a Partner Group. Just because dancers Transition doesn't necessarily mean the dancers move between sub-groups. If the pairings during the 'transition' are Groupies, they never Transition. They remain in the same Group. From Static Square which is a Partner Group, if the Head men move with their original Partner out to a Side couple, it is still a Partner Group.

From Static Square, all dancers paired, the Fan The Top-Extend moves the Head couples out to the right to work with the Side couple to their right, just like a 'Lead to the Right' would do. The pairings  preclude a 'one paired, one unpaired' state, so the possibility of a Corner or Right Hand Lady Group are eliminated.

Rather than focus on 'chicken plucker', think about the 'one paired, one unpaired' state. If this state does not exist, dancers must be in either a Partner Group or an Opposite Lady Group.
Kip Garvey
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(08-29-2018, 03:30 AM)kgarvey Wrote: I understand. The 'history' of 'across the street' was originated in the idea of having MIXED paired couples move back and forth, not SAME paired couples. Regardless, the idea of 'chicken plucker' and moving 'across the street' is not diminished in any way whether the couples moving across are a set of MIXED paired couples or SAME paired couples. What is affected is the resulting Group.

When the couples moving 'across the street' are SAME paired couples, then no Transition occurs and the dancers remain in the same Group. This is what is causing your confusion, understandably so.

If Heads Fan the Top and Extend, we have SAME paired couples moving to an outside pair. Since the pairing of these couples is original Partner, there is NO WAY a Right Hand Lady Group can exist as a result. The result Group, considering the inside and outside couples are Partner Group. Everything after that is based on the dancers being in a Partner Group.

Callers need to establish on the outset which Group they take the dancers into. Heads Square Thru results in a Corner Group. Heads Fan The Top-Extend results in a Partner Group. Just because dancers Transition doesn't necessarily mean the dancers move between sub-groups. If the pairings during the 'transition' are Groupies, they never Transition. They remain in the same Group. From Static Square which is a Partner Group, if the Head men move with their original Partner out to a Side couple, it is still a Partner Group.

From Static Square, all dancers paired, the Fan The Top-Extend moves the Head couples out to the right to work with the Side couple to their right, just like a 'Lead to the Right' would do. The pairings  preclude a 'one paired, one unpaired' state, so the possibility of a Corner or Right Hand Lady Group are eliminated.

Rather than focus on 'chicken plucker', think about the 'one paired, one unpaired' state. If this state does not exist, dancers must be in either a Partner Group or an Opposite Lady Group.

(12-11-2018, 11:15 PM)Regicaller Wrote:
(08-29-2018, 03:30 AM)kgarvey Wrote: I understand. The 'history' of 'across the street' was originated in the idea of having MIXED paired couples move back and forth, not SAME paired couples. Regardless, the idea of 'chicken plucker' and moving 'across the street' is not diminished in any way whether the couples moving across are a set of MIXED paired couples or SAME paired couples. What is affected is the resulting Group.

When the couples moving 'across the street' are SAME paired couples, then no Transition occurs and the dancers remain in the same Group. This is what is causing your confusion, understandably so.

If Heads Fan the Top and Extend, we have SAME paired couples moving to an outside pair. Since the pairing of these couples is original Partner, there is NO WAY a Right Hand Lady Group can exist as a result. The result Group, considering the inside and outside couples are Partner Group. Everything after that is based on the dancers being in a Partner Group.

Callers need to establish on the outset which Group they take the dancers into. Heads Square Thru results in a Corner Group. Heads Fan The Top-Extend results in a Partner Group. Just because dancers Transition doesn't necessarily mean the dancers move between sub-groups. If the pairings during the 'transition' are Groupies, they never Transition. They remain in the same Group. From Static Square which is a Partner Group, if the Head men move with their original Partner out to a Side couple, it is still a Partner Group.

From Static Square, all dancers paired, the Fan The Top-Extend moves the Head couples out to the right to work with the Side couple to their right, just like a 'Lead to the Right' would do. The pairings  preclude a 'one paired, one unpaired' state, so the possibility of a Corner or Right Hand Lady Group are eliminated.

Rather than focus on 'chicken plucker', think about the 'one paired, one unpaired' state. If this state does not exist, dancers must be in either a Partner Group or an Opposite Lady Group.

(12-11-2018, 11:15 PM)Regicaller Wrote: Im having trouble posting a reply.  Hope this works.  Kip this make perfect sense to me now, though it didnt back in Aug.  Like a turtle, Im making slow and steady progress.   SmileRegina
(08-29-2018, 03:30 AM)kgarvey Wrote: I understand. The 'history' of 'across the street' was originated in the idea of having MIXED paired couples move back and forth, not SAME paired couples. Regardless, the idea of 'chicken plucker' and moving 'across the street' is not diminished in any way whether the couples moving across are a set of MIXED paired couples or SAME paired couples. What is affected is the resulting Group.

When the couples moving 'across the street' are SAME paired couples, then no Transition occurs and the dancers remain in the same Group. This is what is causing your confusion, understandably so.

If Heads Fan the Top and Extend, we have SAME paired couples moving to an outside pair. Since the pairing of these couples is original Partner, there is NO WAY a Right Hand Lady Group can exist as a result. The result Group, considering the inside and outside couples are Partner Group. Everything after that is based on the dancers being in a Partner Group.

Callers need to establish on the outset which Group they take the dancers into. Heads Square Thru results in a Corner Group. Heads Fan The Top-Extend results in a Partner Group. Just because dancers Transition doesn't necessarily mean the dancers move between sub-groups. If the pairings during the 'transition' are Groupies, they never Transition. They remain in the same Group. From Static Square which is a Partner Group, if the Head men move with their original Partner out to a Side couple, it is still a Partner Group.

From Static Square, all dancers paired, the Fan The Top-Extend moves the Head couples out to the right to work with the Side couple to their right, just like a 'Lead to the Right' would do. The pairings  preclude a 'one paired, one unpaired' state, so the possibility of a Corner or Right Hand Lady Group are eliminated.

Rather than focus on 'chicken plucker', think about the 'one paired, one unpaired' state. If this state does not exist, dancers must be in either a Partner Group or an Opposite Lady Group.
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